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is secrets for success. Welcome to the secrets for success podcast. I'm your host, Greg Todd today. I have the greatest guest of all time, the most important guest, the guest I love the most, the guest that is the most important to me in every aspect of my life, Kerry Todd, my significant other, my better half, the love of my life.
Thank you for joining me. All right. Now, I know this is not your thing, you know, all this. Cameras are up, but let's just, there's something that we do at home. We haven't been doing as much of it, but we usually do a couple of times and it's where we decompress. We need to do more of it. I know, I know, I know.
I know I'm going to work on it. All right. This is going to be a marriage therapy counseling session. Hopefully as you all are listening to this, you get a lot of value from it. So, Kerry and I have been married for 22 years. and we've been together for 26 years. We are college sweethearts.
And when she met me, I was this young punk at 19 years old. And I had this desire to become a physical therapist. And you were in college as well. I met her, she was a, she was an RA for one of the dorms. And she was kind of cute. So... Very cute. I started the relationship... I started our relationship basically on a lie.
She needed help in pre calculus, and I said I could help her, which I could. But then she said, Great, could you help my roommate? She's doing calculus. I'm like, of course I can help your roommate. I've never done calculus in my life. Just letting you know. But anyways... But it all worked out. And you never helped me.
And I never did help you. I'm kidding. Alright. So here we are. We've been married for... We're 22 years, and we have four kids and, I'm an entrepreneur and that's not what you signed up for. So let's talk about that. Is that cool? why don't you tell the people a little bit about yourself besides what I just told them.
Who are you? I'm the person behind it all, I guess. Mom of four. I guess I like to call myself the COE because I'm the chief of everything and I basically do all the things that no one else wants to do. So, whatever it is, I get it done. So, I'm more of like the behind the scenes person, but also The, I think the most important thing that I do is that I am the supporter of everyone and, I like to think I help a lot to make the decisions to, you know, from behind the scenes.
Scenes., do you like that role? Yes. Do. Yes. Have you ever craved, wanted to be in the limelight? Wanting to be the front person like me. Nope. And I still don't like to do it. But, you know, I do it for you. Oh, yeah. So it can be, it can be a little bit, a little hard, like, especially like the big events is, you know, I'm more of like a, one on one type person.
And so. Yeah, it gives me some anxiety, but, you know, it's definitely like something that you thrive on, so., they're for support and that's one of the things that's like we're opposite. So, you know, you know, it's fine. We just, we make it work. Make it work. Okay. So let's talk some, some, tough stuff.
I was saying this off camera. There's so many views of entrepreneurship and relationships and how all this stuff really works and thinking that the spouse and the partner are both like these, like I think you're Grant Cardone. His wife, Elena. She is pushing him to be this massive personality, this big name in entrepreneurship.
I think of even one of my coaches, Andy Frisilla, his wife, Emily is an entrepreneur as well. Right. Pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing. Like they both get it. And even my older brother, he was like, if I ever get married, it's like, I doubt I'm ever going to get married, but if I do, I want somebody that is going to be into business.
Cause that's all I want to do is business, you know? And. That's not how it works for me and you. You're not into business. When you married me, I wasn't into business. I wasn't into business either. And so I know sometimes we have talked and you're like, this is not what I sign up for. Yeah. Can you explain that?
Talk about that a little bit? Well, I think,, it's, you know, with, with what you do, it's, uh, It's like a 24 7 business, and I'm, I'm sure that, you know, that is how it is for most people, but it's, time is like really important to me, so I think that that's usually the key of why I say it's not what I signed up for, meaning because it's like, you have to try to balance the time, and it's like, you You know, it's, it's a little bit off balance.
Sometimes the skill tip one way and sometimes it tip the other way. And, and, and I'm usually like, not as, you know, Oh, let's just schedule everything. You know, I feel like I don't want to be penciled in. So it's, it's more like, you know, okay. Make time for me when I want time . Right. I think that that's such hard thing.
Yeah. I think that that has been the hard thing and yeah. And it's like the more, the more you share with me about the way business is, I think also that's another thing is that because I've never really been. a business type. So it's, it's like some of the stuff that I just don't get and when you share with me and you, and, and we're discussing things, then I get it more.
It makes sense. But, you know, so, so that's usually, that's it. It's, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot of moving parts. And there's also like an intensity that comes with you being an entrepreneur. And I'm more of like,, I see calmness and peace, and sometimes it just creates that, you know, like, pressure, anxiety, because it's like, it's throwing me off, you know, throwing me off of, of how I usually am and, you know, what I'm drawn to, if that makes sense.
Because when, when I'm working, it's like, I'm thriving in chaos. Yes. And that. I love, I love the busyness. Like when I, when, when I come to the office. And you like. I get energized and I get drained and just, so I think that, that has, you know, that, that is hard. It's hard for us because, well, we're already opposite.
So that makes it hard, but also for me, then it makes me feel this intense pressure. Like I need to be on and I'm already struggling in that area of, you know, typically a low energy person, just, more cautious. Like. You know, and you thrive in that, and I, you thrive in that environment, and I don't, so that sometimes creates this, you know, chaotic anxiety, and I'm more like, want to escape from that, so, that's the hard part.
This is so interesting, because, many of you that are listening, you've heard parts of my story. I was an employee, a physical therapist, working for the corporate 9 to 5 environment. And it sucked. I was working from 7 a. m. to some days 8 p. m., 9 p. m. That was a typical day. But then when I was working with the tennis players, I was working till midnight.
And it, there was, I wasn't even really liking what it was I was doing. I was providing for my family. But I saw no light at the end of the tunnel. And when I mean light at the end of the tunnel, it wasn't money, it was, we were in so many arguments. because I wasn't giving you time because I was gone all the time.
And so I knew that I had to change my situation. And at that time we had both agreed that I was going to be an entrepreneur, like we're going to try this thing. We didn't fully understand. I don't even know if you were an entrepreneur was, but we're just like, I can't work for these people anymore. Yeah.
We just knew you wanted to work for yourself. We just knew I needed to work for myself so that I could dictate my own schedule. And so we agreed that entrepreneurship was going to be the path that we were going to take. And one of the things that I don't feel like we've ever had a hard time with, at least when starting, and so I hear this from couples, is that one person wants them to do it, one doesn't.
We both were in agreement with starting this. We didn't realize it was going to get to what it is today. And to get to the level of, I guess, success that we've had and kind of the money that we've generated and not necessarily having to do it at that intensity anymore. And it's really only gotten more intense, right?
And so I know that. That's, that's a tricky thing for you. It's like, why do I continue to do it at the level that I do it? But without, without us starting this, I don't even know. Do you think we would have been together? Where we were going in 2004, if I never left Quora, do you think we would have stayed together?
Yes. You better stay together. Looking back at it, do you think we would have stayed together? I, I don't know. I don't think so. I think, I think we would because, you know, both of us are Like, seriously, committed and loyal people, and We would have figured. And also, we're not afraid of hard work. And that's what marriage is.
It's, you know, it's, it's hard work. But, just like anything else that you want in your life, like, if something is worth it for you, you're gonna have to do hard work. Things are gonna be easy. You don't have four kids and not work, you know? It's hard work. And so, I like to think that. We would make it because it's not like our marriage has been like, you know, smooth sailing all the time.
Like, we, we have to work on it and in 22 years, we're still working at it. And if you don't, then it's going to die. It's just like anything else. If you don't work at it, it's not going to grow. And that's what I had when we, so we had a conversation yesterday. We were moving in our daughter. She's starting her third year of college.
And so. So when we were driving back, we had a lot of good conversation and we, it's, I don't just have one business. I have multiple businesses and some of them are failing and some are thriving. And the businesses that are not doing well are the businesses that I'm no longer a part of in a day to day because, and the people that were running it don't understand that it's constant work.
You can't just be like, wow, Greg just created this amazing thing for me. Now I can just run it on autopilot, right? And when they don't put in the work that was put in before, the business doesn't just coast. Yeah. Right. And we're seeing that in some of our businesses. And then there's other businesses where I am intentional with the work, the energy, the focus that I'm giving to the business and they're thriving and doing extremely well.
Yeah. And it's no different in marriage. Exactly. It's the same thing. It's like it never gets easy, y'all. It never gets easy. It's constant work. That we're putting in to understand each other because the woman that I married December 26th of 2001 is not the same woman that I'm married to today and the man that you married is seven.
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Don't edit out when my, Jess, by the way, don't. Well, people, when I will, this is what happened. This is it. My first day at work, Ali, that's the first time I married you, which is work. Oh my God.
Okay. All right. Anyways, it's work. Yeah. They're all work. And, but you said, you just said it, you just said the key, you have to be intentional and to be intentional, you have to be intentional in everything that you do. and. You know, and there's a lot of blessings that we've been able to have and achieve, things we've been able to acquire, time that we've been able to spend.
I was just saying this year, I was just telling you this, this year we've gone on five private trips together. Yeah. Thank you to the team. Thank you to the team. Yeah. But it's work to invest in the team and getting these people to understand who I am and them knowing that I care for them. I truly care for them and I want them helping me with the mission to change their lives.
Right. Their personal lives and the things that they want for their loved ones or for their family or for their career. Yeah. And so that's work too. And whenever I'm doing that, it's pulling me away from you. Yeah. But at the same time, without them, we couldn't basically have the biggest year that we've ever had here.
And at the same time, me be able to spend the time with you, but there's a trade off to everything. Yeah. So, anyways, it's really tricky. All right. with that said, there's questions? There's questions? Go ahead, Kenneth. Give me the questions from our clients and followers. So, we have one question. And it is, from Hawaii's perspective, how do you navigate business and a relationship?
Being that he has to spend so much time doing this business and... Dedicating to it. How do you navigate being the wife at managing the, Yeah. well, it's, it's definitely, hard to balance. Like, I think balance in anything is, you know, as I said before, it's, it's going to tip one way or tip the other way at times.
And it, can definitely be tough and And I like to say, Oh, this is not what I signed up for when the tough time come, I will say that to him because with business, it just feels like it never ends, you know, it's, it's ongoing and it's 24 seven and, and it does take a lot of time. away from me, and so I think what my focus is really just,, trying to be a support for him and also just, you know, like, trying not to focus so much on, like, The time that we are away and trying to make the time that we are together memorable and being intentional about spending that time because like I said before, I don't really like the idea of being penciled in, but I've, you know, had to, accept that that is the best way to be intentional about Our time together.
So, this one is for Greg. So, the question is, what do you consider to be the best way to keep your spouse engaged when they're not necessarily a part of the business? the best way to keep, at least for my spouse, I think for every spouse it's going to be a little bit, you know, different. You have to know what the needs of your spouse is.
I have realized that when I'm communicating, period, communicating about the business, I'm communicating about my, what I'm feeling, my feelings, and I'm listening to my spouse and making sure that I'm doing check ins with you, then, that works the best., so making sure that we're talking about,, how I'm feeling and part of what makes me feel the way that I feel is based on the environments that I'm in.
And a lot of the environments that I'm in have to do with my business. And commerce. Right? so I feel like that's that's one thing. And then I think the second thing is, there are certain parts of the business that I will let you get feedback and get your interaction with, right? Like, I don't like to talk to you about, if I have to go and buy a 50, 000 mastermind program.
I know that that would. Make your brain explode, you know, or if I'm going to go do some massive deal with somebody that's going to cost me, you know, a hundred thousand dollars or like when I'm doing the event and it costs me a quarter of a million dollars to do the event. But there are certain things I know that you would like to be a part of, you know, like with the book, you know, like, Hey, help me with designing the cover, help me with this.
And I know that that makes you feel extremely important when. You're a part of the business, but it's certain parts of the business. Yeah, so I just have to remind myself because I'm typically very impatient and rushy and just like hey somebody else do this, you know for me and Just thinking that wait, this is actually something that I can make you do and it would make you feel involved Mm hmm.
So this is gonna be a question for you both In that regard, what do you do on a weekly, monthly, or quarterly basis to stay on the same page with each other and keep the spark alive?
We start first. I know what I'd do. Shoot. What? Then go ahead then. Let me hear this. No, no, no, no. Let me hear this. No. Beauty first. Beauty first. Before. well, we do weekly dates. We make sure that, we get our, our dates in. Thursdays? On Thursdays. Yeah. we try to have cup of time. We don't have it as much lately, but we do try to have cup of time where, we are enjoying our cup of coffee, and.
You know, talking, like sharing what's going on in our lives, and, and we, we usually do it, we do that weekly as well, and I don't do it at all. I'm not, I'm very private. Yeah, she's private, she's private, she's private, she's private, so she won't tell you everything. Yeah. But, I'd say, you know, one of the big things is that before, and, and by the way, this is, this is what happens when you build a vehicle, there was a time where, When you're working and you're trading your time for money as a physical therapist, your schedule is your schedule.
There is no, like, Hey, I'm going to be 15 minutes late, or I'm going to be 30 minutes late, or I've got a doctor's appointment. It's like, it doesn't work like that. You got people, you got patients, and they book with you, and, and you, you just, you just don't have the time. So, I think there's a couple of things that, that we do.
we used to do date, dates twice a week. We would do Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I would finish work at two, and then we would go on a date in the afternoon. What we've noticed that works better for us, like you said, is that Thursday is a date day. Yeah. So, I, I would find it hard for me where I might have just been in a meeting, and then I've got to flip it off.
And it could have been something like, let's say it was one o'clock. And somebody, like, really annoyed me or a deal went bad or whatever. it was hard for me to be present during that date. But now that we do a date day, it's one full day that is just myself and Kerry
. It's whatever we want to do. So it could be breakfast.
A lot of times we go and we go to the beach in the morning. We go swimming in the beach. We do this. We do breakfast. We do lunch at Bait House or, you know, whatever. And then, you know, it's that day. And I feel like. I'm focused on you for the day, you know, I appreciate. Yeah, and also it's good because everybody knows here that that's his day with carry.
So, so it's, it's just easier to, it's like it cuts it off. So I feel like that's huge for us. I think we also take trips, you know, where it's, it's, it's a huge one. So we're, we, we take trips. we try to do it once. Like right now it's been once every six weeks is what it's averaging out, and this year we've been going up to our, our mom place in Georgia.
we're going to be going to Mexico next, in two months, right? So we try to do once every six weeks and that's just four to five days with just us and it's very minimal work and yeah, I'm working a little bit, but we have so much time together and it's no kids that, you know, that helps to keep sparks.
We get things at my pace. Your pace. Right. Right. Right. Right. Not rushing everywhere. Exactly. So, yeah, that's huge. It's huge. So, with that, the next question I got is, How do you set boundaries for a spouse who is too involved in the business? Ooh. I don't have to worry about that. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. It is How do you set boundaries for Oh gosh, yeah.
Well, I I I I think you will agree that I don't have any problem with letting him know and I'm not getting my time and also You know, you being actually present when it's our time together, like put that phone down, you know, I want the time to be just focused on me. So, yeah, I, I, you know, it's, it's always an ongoing battle, I would say.
And I know that sounds kind of harsh, but it, it's, it's just like constant reminder that, you know, Hey, you know, I'm here. This between us is important. And. Let's just remember, like, if it's a Thursday and it's our date day, like, I don't really want him doing too much business that day because then it, you know, it just, it just feels like he can't really be completely present.
So I think that's the key is just the constant communication and communication is not that easy for us. Like, I think it looks like it is, but like, sometimes we. We struggle a bit because we don't want to hurt the other person. So we, we, we still struggle after all these years with like being, you know, really like honest, like, Hey, look, you're, you're not being present.
Like you're here, but you're not here. And I was trying to tell you something important that I'm going through, you know, so. Sometimes we can, you know, kind of, struggle with that a bit because his, the business is like, it's ongoing stuff. So something might happen and he'll go look at his phone, but he doesn't want to tell me because like, he wants us to just, you know, have a nice day together.
So he might not want to tell me, but then I'm like, Oh, what are you doing over there? You know? So. So, so yeah, that, I think that's the, you know, that's, that's a part that we're, we kind of have to, always work at and make sure that, we're focusing on each other when we have our time together. I think you helped to keep my, me, checked in because I'm obsessive.
Yeah. I have a very obsessive personality and I think that's what you need in order to be great at anything. But you cannot be half in, half out in anything. If you're going to be great at it, you could be okay at something, but to be great, like, that's a whole nother ball game. So, I do think that you, you keep me, checked in like, hey, come on buddy, you know, come on over here.
By the way, when I was a kid, right, and I would play video games, I, I will play all day, all night. Like, I just, cause I want to be great at anything that I do. Yeah. So. I, I block everything out, you know, I block it all out and I'll block out you, the kids, if you allowed me to. Yeah. I think you just, you're not having it.
I'm just not having it. It's not gonna happen. I'm not allowing it. You're not blocking anybody out, buddy. And that's, that's what you, that's what you Especially not me. Especially not you. Jeez, whatever. Hell no.
I may be quiet, but I can be a force. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good answer, . Thank you. I think that is definitely what the people needed to hear. Yeah. . So the next question that we have is how do you recognize you need to communicate before it becomes an issue? So one of the people who asked, they feel like they are great at communicating with the issue, has like it's become an issue now.
We're now having to be in the weed, then go back and forth. But how do you have that conversation before it gets there, or even notice that you should have that conversation? Well, we actually still find that challenging. So sometimes, like I said before, we don't want to share something if we think the other person is going to be hurt or, you know,, feel left out.
If, he needs to make an important decision and he's like, Oh God, you know, it's I'm not going to be here for date day. She might, you know, she might not like it. So he might not want to share it with me. And then, you know, most of the time, like I can sense something is a little bit off, so then, you know, that sometimes can escalate the problem a little bit.
And so I think, it's better. And, and it's something that we discuss a lot. It's better if he just shares it with me, even if he thinks I'm going to be upset about it. just go ahead and share it, but you know, we're all so different with, communication and, some people might just, like, not want to hear the truth.
And so I think, like, when you're faced with that, the best thing you can do is make sure that, like, it's a time when, like, we're both not tired or, you know. just, just try like, like Greg's a morning person and, you know, I'm really not, but if I feel like we need to discuss something important, then the morning would be better when he's not exhausted already, you know, because like, if he's exhausted already and we try to discuss something, he might be, you know, it might be harder, like a little bit more,, upset about whatever it is that we're.
Trying to discuss and, and then also for me, I guess he has to do the same. He has to find a time when I'm not like tired or already anxious about something when he's going to discuss it with me. So we're learning that. We're still learning that we got to make sure that, we're sharing, but we're sharing at the right time.
If that makes sense, like, you know, don't. Don't just share something and then, you know, it becomes, a blow up, like try to share it, you know. at a good time so we can discuss it. And,I think that works better for us. And that's what we're trying to do. Yeah. I think freedom always lies on the other side, the other end of a difficult conversation.
And whenever it's, there's a difficult conversation that needs to happen where I got to do something that hmm.
I'm always concerned of, Oh my gosh, this might upset her, but what I've come to realize is that if I can just say it, yes, it probably did upset you, but there was something else that you learned from it. So let's just say, and I still want to hear it. You want to hear it. That is what's important. Even if I'm going to be upset, I still want to hear it because then I'm, Thinking already like something's off and what is it and make an assumption the thinker?
Yeah, you start to make assumptions. What is he doing? This is not and then now you've already created a war in your mind And so I realized that it's just better for me just to get it out so because eventually it's gonna get out anyway, and then If it gets out after I fail to tell you that part and that part and that part, which led to this part, then you're going to be like, well, why didn't you tell me from those things?
And it makes the problem worse. So, I'm really learning that. You guys see, 22 years. Just still learning. Yeah. Yeah.
And the last question that we have for you is, how do you get on the same page with investing in the business when finances are involved? One of the people out here said they know sometimes it can be a pretty hefty charge to like put money into some things for the business. How do you guys get on the same page with understanding or what do you do to manage the fact?
Yeah, that's tough. I, I think I still struggle with that because, you know, I have. I have a bit of a,, issue with, like, spending. So, to me, like,, I'm usually like, Are you sure you have to do this? You know, and I'm also cautious, like, Are you sure? Or, or something like... So, on his end, he usually, typically, will have to, like, convince me of what...
The outcome will be and, and, and just, you know, maybe share some more details and, and, just try to get me on the same page, but, but yeah, that's still something that we, we kind of still will,, not be on the same page with at times. So, but the thing is that I just have to trust him because he knows business, so I'm just like, okay, so eventually he usually will convince me.
But, but yeah, I know that can be,, hard for him sometimes to like actually come and tell me, Oh, can I spend all this to do, you know, do this thing? And I'm like, are you sure you got to do that? So I think, you know, well, we're a team and as a team, there's, coaches in each department and I feel like you're the head coach at home and you handle all operations at home, right?
And that keeps our kids good. That keeps me good. And you are the C. O. E. chief of everything at the Todd Squad Inc, right? But then I have to be the head coach for providing for the Todd Squad Inc and providing for other families and truly living out whatever calling I believe is. And that's my role. So try to keep, my spouse.
involved in some of these things, but I understand we're not going to see eye to eye. But at the end of the day, there has to be somebody that's going to make the final decision. Like, there's got to be somebody that's going to make the final decision at the house, when it comes to the kids, when it comes to how we're going to educate our kids, when it comes to, what we're going to do for this thing, or landscaping, or this for the house, or that for the house.
And there's got to be someone that is going to just make the final decision. For business, I... Can keep my wife involved in understanding some of the things, but I understand that there's certain things. You're not an entrepreneur and Being an entrepreneur means that I'm owning and operating a business and I'm doing so at a very high financial risk So I can't ask you to get that Mm hmm I I just have to tell you and you might not get it But I still have to take ownership that I got to make the final decision and I got to live with the consequences Now one thing I got to say I got to honor you real quick One of the things is that I do make decisions that I have spent and invested lots of money and it has worked out many times, but there's times that it hasn't worked out.
I think one of the keys to our marriage and making business thrive is that you've never, you've never poked that in my face when it doesn't work out, you know, you might be like, geez, but not like I've, I've seen it. I've seen it in, in other relationships where. This is why I was like, remember when you screwed that up?
Remember when you did that bad deal and keep on reminding them? And that just destroys your confidence level as an entrepreneur. And so even when I do screw up or it doesn't work out initially, I should say, you never throw that in my face. And I really appreciate that. I honor you for that. Thank you.
You're welcome. And also it's because I believe in you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I know you believe in me and I know you want more time with me and I believe that this is the best way. To be able to get it. I also think that the reason why you want more time is. It's because I'm amazing.
Okay. , let's face it. You know what I mean? Okay. No, no, no. I'm just, but I'm more amazing. Huh? I mean, you are amazing. I'm amazing too, right? Okay. Amazing. Was amazing. But I also You still were competitive. ,but I am watching what's, okay. I'm amazing. Okay. While me how hugging get right, like I said, okay, so, So I do think though, that cause you want to spend, you wouldn't want to spend more time with a monster.
You want to spend time with the man that makes you feel good when you're around him. And a lot of why I feel that way is because of what I do as an entrepreneur. And being an entrepreneur has pushed me and has taught me how to have more patience, how to communicate better, because I have to do that in order to bring value to the marketplace.
And that makes me a better husband. So, you know, I truly believe that if I never went in this path, I wouldn't have had the pressure to become a better human being so that people would want to do business with me and want to work with me. And I think that, I, cause I know a lot of spouses, they, they don't want to be with their husband because they don't like them.
You know what I mean? I don't like her or whatever, you know? So I believe that it's kind of a catch 22, you know what I mean? Because. Yeah, we want to be with each other more and business sometimes prevents that, but I think because of business, it's, it's created us into the people where we actually want to spend a lot of time together.
If y'all are not realizing this, my wife and I, we actually do argue, but we really love to spend time with each other. And so, so we're just trying to continue to figure out the time game. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Can I say one more thing before we finish? God has finished still again, again, before I finish a podcast, I wanna honor you like that.
Yes. So want to honor you because of many things. You know, I love you, you know, you're my best friend, but, you have forced me to play a game that I never planned on playing. I'm not the man that you married, and it's because you, you demanded that I play the time game. And the time game is what led me to entrepreneurship.
And I would have never done it if it wasn't worth doing it for something that I wanted or someone that I wanted. And so at that time in 2004, I really did think I was going to lose you. I really did. And I was willing to, to do a total 180 just to keep you. And I thank you for pushing me to play the time game.
I love you. You too. Awesome.
